It consisted of an empty outer watertight compartment and an inner water-filled compartment. Other ships had dealt with the warships in Oran's port of Mers-el-Kebir, but the four 194-millimetre (7.6 in) coast-defence guns of Fort du Santon overlooking the harbour were still shooting at the British ships. That would be a shame if she went through her entire career and never actually hit anything. The sisters began escorting Convoy WS 19, loaded with troops bound for Egypt or Burma, on 4 June. After the armed merchant cruiser Jervis Bay was sunk the following day by the heavy cruiser Admiral Scheer, the sisters were deployed to the Iceland-Faeroes gap to block any attempt by the German cruiser to return home. The British side, Royal Navy had two powerful battleships againist DKM Bismarck. Playing next. Personally I would chose HMS Rodney, crossing our fingers. They were completed on 28 March and Rodney steamed back to Scapa where she arrived on 1 April. I think people confuse the value of the Shermans with the size of the economies producing them. Ironically, Rodney's own main guns firing at low elevation had damaged her more extensively than had Bismarck. Take into account that that battle was at close range, how do you really think they would do at long range? In October 1938 another octuple "pom-pom" mount was added on the quarterdeck and a prototype Type 79Y early-warning radar system was installed on Rodney's masthead. 6 years ago | 11 views. The ship carried enough fuel oil to give her a range of 7,000 nautical miles (13,000 km; 8,100 mi) at a cruising speed of 16 knots (30 km/h; 18 mph). It seems to me that in many naval actions, a ship that is not being fired upon tends to have substantially superior gunnery then one being fired upon. [52] Twenty minutes later, Rodney opened fire with her main guns on a wave of approaching Italian torpedo bombers, hoping to knock some of them down with shell splashes, which "frightened us, our escort and [the] Italians". From what I understand or have read, she never hit another ship with her guns. Why, Mike? That night the ship moved to the waters off Juno Beach to avoid attacks by German light forces. HMS Rodney: The battleship Bismarck's final battle began on May 27 1941, at 08.47 AM with the first salvo of HMS Rodney. Yamato vs Nelson& Rodney. In addition a full suite of radars were added. The ship escorted one convoy through the Arctic to the Soviet Union in late 1944. By no means; the Japanese have famously highly tuned aesthetic sensibilities, none of them could have faced Nelson or Rodney without quailing. [14], The high-angle directors and rangefinder and their platform were replaced by a new circular platform for the High Angle Control System (HACS) Mk I director by March 1930. Burt, pp. During one such sortie on 21 February in heavy weather, her steering problems resurfaced and forced her return to Greenock, Scotland. The ship arrived back in the UK on 5 November where she rejoined the Home Fleet. She became the Home Fleet flagship four days later when Admiral Sir Henry Moore hoisted his flag aboard her. So if the Yamato were to concentrate on one of the Brits, the other would very quickly be delivering a whole lot of straddles... and these would be 16" rounds. The KC armour of the barbettes ranged in thickness from 12 to 15 inches (305 to 381 mm). Rodney visited Oslo, Norway, in July. Yamato vs Nelson& Rodney. Rodney was transferred from Scapa Flow to Rosyth on 23 August with orders to attack the German invasion fleet in the English Channel when Operation Sealion began. Corey Preiss. Since the repairs took several months to complete, Rodney's crew was furloughed to local Civilian Conservation Corps camps for a fortnight. She and Scharnhorst fired on Spitzbergen in 1943, but beyond that, she really didnt do anything with her guns. because they could still beat an opponent 1 on 1. if this thread had been Yamato vs. one NelRod, i don't think there would have been much discussion! Rodney was tasked to eliminate the problem and bombarded Batterie Blücher on 12 August, taking up a position on the other side of the Cap de la Hague to avoid return fire. Troop Convoy TC 10 departed Halifax on 10 April with a strong escort that included Rodney. I can't think of a better target for diving shell than NelRod. I do not see them as especially vulnerable to diving shells. The following day, Rodney's steering began malfunctioning despite multiple repair attempts. 255, 258–267; Burt, p. 383; Buxton, p. 114; Friedman, p. 440, QF 2-pounder (40-millimetre (1.6 in)) guns, "Memorial for crew lost on D-Day Landing craft LCT 427 in Solent", Ships of the Royal Navy: The Complete Record of all Fighting Ships of the Royal Navy, List of dreadnought battleships of the Royal Navy, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=HMS_Rodney_(29)&oldid=998379988, World War II battleships of the United Kingdom, Wikipedia articles with WORLDCATID identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 5 January 2021, at 03:20. [27] The ship was assigned to the 2nd Battle Squadron of the Atlantic Fleet (renamed as Home Fleet in March 1932) and remained so, aside from refits or repairs, until 1941. After a brief refit in the United States, she escorted convoys to Malta and supported the Allied invasion of French Algeria during (Operation Torch) in late 1942. And that was against Taffy3? IMHO I dont think that the NelRod battle would last to long.Also note that the Bismarck wasn't sunk by shellfire. Even if Bismarck was more heavily armored it’d be a non factor, Bismarck was heavily damaged by HMS Rodney’s 16 inch guns which are far less advanced than Iowa’s. Dalrymple-Hamilton continued south east for several more hours before he decided to obey the order at 16:20; during this time Bismarck passed his position just under the horizon, about 25 nmi (46 km; 29 mi) away. She arrived in Scapa on 15 September and sailed the following day to escort Convoy JW 60 bound for Murmansk. She displaced 33,730 long tons (34,270 t) at standard load and 37,430 long tons (38,030 t) at deep load. A comparison between the INDNESIA flag and the pirate flag.Described in detail the flags of Royal Navy battleship HMS RODNEY of the Battle of Warships. She returned to Scapa on 4 November to begin convoy escort duty. The HACS Mk I was replaced by a Mk III director and four barrage (anti-aircraft) directors with Type 283 radars were added for the main guns. [40], On 22 May 1941 Rodney and four destroyers were part of the escort for the ocean liner MV Britannic as she set sail for Halifax. The battleship is represented as she was in 1942. As the Home Fleet was assembling in Scapa Flow as tensions with Germany rose in August, Rodney developed steering problems and had to proceed to Rosyth for repairs and a bottom cleaning. TDS 7 Guess Speed 17 26 vs 25 knots. ... That'd make H-3A a very interesting ship, 33kt ship built like a brick with the forward firepower of a Yamato but also stuck with that figure for broadside firepower. After all she out manuvered a bigger attack against her than the Bismarck did. HMS Rodney (pennant number: 29) was one of two Nelson-class battleships built for the Royal Navy in the mid-1920s. 3 dry dock from 8 December until 1 March 1948; during this time, Rodney's condition was surveyed and her leaks were patched. The design compromises had less negative consequences for Nelson because that ship underwent a number of refits immediately before and during the war. [20] Given the yard number 904,[21] she was laid down on 28 December 1922 as part of the 1922 Naval Programme at Cammell Laird's shipyard in Birkenhead[22] and was launched on 17 December 1925 by Princess Mary, Viscountess Lascelles, after three attempts at cracking the bottle of Imperial Burgundy. "[10] Unlike Nelson which exceeded the design specification for machinery weight, the lighter machinery of Rodney resulted in chronic problems. In that case they would have brought the modernized Fuso and Yamashiro to the fight the NelRods. 3:06. At their request the battleship resumed firing at the fort despite the presence of nearby troops and the French capitulated shortly afterwards. Britannic was taking civilians to Canada and would be bringing Canadian troops and airmen back to Britain. [23] She was completed and her trials began in August 1927[24] and she was commissioned on 7 December under the command of Captain Henry Kitson. [12] Throughout the war Rodney was plagued with leaks as a result of panting and the ship required repairs because of serious leaks in 1940, 1941 and 1944. To this end the ship carried some of the needed materials, such as boiler tubes and three octuple "pom-pom" mounts intended for use in her refit; other cargo included three or four crates of the Elgin Marbles. A LCT took shelter in the lee of the battleship for the duration of the storm and a trawler collided with Rodney on 21 June, but was not seriously damaged. [66], After a fortnight in Portland, the ship arrived in Devonport on 27 August for repairs that were originally scheduled to last for a month or more. Whilst the Sherman was an adequate tank, I am somewhat surprised that the US did not get a better hull into product. [57], While at sea with the French battleship Richelieu to conduct a night gunnery exercise on 29 December, Rodney suffered weather damage during a severe storm that caused extensive flooding forward. The secondary-gun turrets were protected by 1–1.5 inches (25–38 mm) of non-cemented armour. I believe the Germans had problems copying the T34's diesel engine even at the end of the war a lot of diesel engines were based on Czech design. they. The former ship arrived at Greenock to replenish her ammunition, fuel and supplies on 29 May and departed for Halifax on 4 June together with the ocean liner Windsor Castle and escorted by four destroyers. 16 in sisters HMS Rodney & Nelson (the only British battleships ever to use the calibre) - various colour schemes. The Nelson class was a class of two battleships (Nelson and Rodney) of the British Royal Navy, built shortly after, and under the terms of, the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922. Under the cover of darkness in the early morning hours of May 19, 1941, the most formidable battleship to have ever been built slipped into the Baltic Sea on its maiden voyage. Although the ship shot down one of her attackers, one armour-piecing bomb bounced off the roof of 'X' turret, wounding four Royal Marines manning the Oerlikons there, and two others detonated near by as the ship was trying to evade the bombs. The ship encountered a strong storm with gale-force winds on 6–8 December that caused leaks in her hull plating with a moderate amount of flooding. [29], Aside from the usual schedule of exercises, 1930 saw Rodney visit Portrush, Northern Ireland in June, which named a street after the battleship, and a subsequent voyage to Iceland to commemorate the thousandth year of the Icelandic Parliament. During the operation the ship accidentally shot down a Fleet Air Arm Fairey Fulmar fighter and Nelson was torpedoed. The Director of Naval Construction, Eustace Tennyson d'Eyncourt, informed the ship's designer, Edward Attwood, "In order to keep the displacement to 35,000 tons, everything is to be cut down to a minimum. The ship participated in King George V's Silver Jubilee Fleet Review at Spithead on 16 July and then again served as the Royal Guardship during Cowes Week. [2], Rodney had a length between perpendiculars of 660 feet (201.2 m) and an overall length of 710 feet 3 inches (216.5 m), a beam of 106 feet (32.3 m), and a draught of 30 feet 2 inches (9.2 m) at standard load. You will probably always have a case were the Sherman held its own. Around dusk, Ark Royal launched a second airstrike of 15 Swordfish; their torpedoes had been fitted with contact detonators. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, All the World's Battlecruisers, Battleships and All Other Warships, The Warship Discussion Forum: Battlecruisers, Battleships, Pre-Dreadnoughts, and other warships. 7:21. Build times, cost and resources come into play. 130–133; Ballantyne 2008, pp. Run to the southward. 265–266; Rohwer, p. 48, Ballantyne 2008, pp. Fire Control 9 No RPC, but almost everything else. See more ideas about battleship, yamato, imperial japanese navy. Her crew numbered 1,361 officers and ratings when serving as a flagship and 1,314 as a private ship. The initial salvos from both ships were off, but Rodney straddled her opponent with her third salvo and hit her twice with her fourth at 09:02, knocking out the forward superfiring turret, disabling the lower turret and severely damaging her bridge. Rodney rendezvoused with the convoy two days later and was assigned to Force Z which would turn back before the convoy passed through the Sicilian Narrows. These have dealt with the British King George V Class, French Dunkerque and Richelieu Classes, ItalianVittorio… Her dockyard time was curtailed and Rodney was ordered north. During her day's shooting Rodney expended 99 sixteen- and 132 six-inch shells. Bob Nelson Rodney Dangerfield's 1984. As it turned out, both capabilities were needed in the same vehicle. Her shelling thus far had not had much effect on the fort as its guns began bombarding approaching American troops. To improve its ability to deflect plunging fire, its upper edge was inclined 18° outward. During her sea trials on 7 September 1927, Rodney reached a top speed of 23.8 knots (44.1 km/h; 27.4 mph) from 45,614 shp (34,014 kW). 147–148, Ballantyne 2008, pp. The ship steamed south in mid-November, bound for Portsmouth where Moore would transfer his flag to her sister. [43], Bismarck was spotted by a RAF Consolidated PBY Catalina flying boat at 10:35 on 26 May and the two battleships were able to join up as Tovey had realised his mistake and doubled back. [48], Rodney and King George V, running short on fuel, were ordered home and were ineffectually attacked by a pair of Luftwaffe bombers the next day. On the night of 23/24 June, the ship was ineffectually attacked twice by Junkers Ju 88 bombers; her gunners claiming to have shot down one aircraft. Download Hms Rodney: Slayer of the Bismarck and D-Day Saviour E-Book Online. HMS Rodney opened fire with her secondary armament at 0858 hours. The port side mount was installed several years later in the position occupied by the port torpedo director and anti-aircraft directors for both mounts were added to the bridge structure. [63] These included a sporadic, 30-hour operation firing an occasional shell 22 miles (35 km) inland, to prevent a Panzer division from crossing a bridge. [16], While under repair at Rosyth in August–September, four additional Oerlikons were added on the quarterdeck. The Home Fleet was already at sea when the submarine Spearfish, on patrol in the Heligoland Bight, was badly damaged by German depth charges on 24 September. The following morning the French guns opened fire as the battleship closed the range, nearly hitting her. The conning tower's KC armour was 12 to 14 inches (305 to 356 mm) thick with a 6.5-inch (170 mm) roof. 7:21. Rodney moved further out to sea and resumed her bombardment with the aid of a land-based spotter. Protection 23 14in inclined, higher quality. Elmer Weis. ... though Yamato would have the speed advantage whereas Graf Spee didn't. [39], After finishing her refit on 13 January 1941, Rodney joined the hunt for Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, without success, and then escorted Convoy HX 108 from 12 to 23 February. Rodney closed to point-blank range and continued to engage, starting to fire full broadsides into Bismarck on a virtually flat trajectory, and added three more torpedoes at a range of 3,000 yd (2,700 m) beginning at 09:51; one of these malfunctioned, but another may have struck Bismarck. The fact is that there are alot of myths out there about the Sherman verse German tanks as the link I posted earlier points out. Cunningham was relieved by Captain Roger Bellairs on 16 December. The evasive manoeuvres worsened Rodney's steering problems and issues with her boilers began after Force Z turned back that evening which limited the ship to 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph). As the British ship manoeuvred to bring 'X' turret to bear while closing the distance, she exposed herself to fire from Bismarck's aft turrets which only managed to straddle Rodney. The Admiralty informed Dalrymple-Hamilton that they believed that Bismarck was probably headed to Brest or Saint Nazaire at 11:40. Admiral Arseny Golovko visited the ship three days later to coordinate arrangements for defending the convoys. [6], The ships' waterline belt consisted of Krupp cemented armour (KC) that was 14 inches (356 mm) thick between the main gun barbettes and thinned to 13 inches (330 mm) over the engine and boiler rooms as well as the six-inch magazines, but did not reach either the bow or the stern. Aft of the citadel was an armoured deck 4.25 inches (108 mm) thick at the level of the lower edge of the belt armour that extended almost to the end of the stern to cover the steering gear. The bomb broke up after hitting the corner of a armoured 4.7-inch ready ammunition box on the upper deck aft of the funnel; its fragments penetrated through several decks before bouncing off the four-inch armoured deck and started a small fire in the galley. The Yamato-class battleships carried nine 18-inch guns in three triple turrets.The could throw 6,000-lb. Browse more videos. German submarines were able to sink two ships of the convoy against the loss of one of their own and the ship arrived at Scapa on 5 October. The ship covered the invasions of Sicily (Operation Husky) and Italy (Operation Baytown) in mid-1943. Despite the heavy anti-aircraft fire, the Swordfish hit Bismarck with three torpedoes. The crew made temporary repairs and the ship remained at sea until she dropped anchor at Scapa Flow on the 17th. Designated 'A', 'B' and 'X' from front to rear, 'B' turret superfired over the others. HMS Rodney (pennant number: 29) was one of two Nelson-class battleships built for the Royal Navy in the mid-1920s. [38], Nelson returned from the dockyard on 24 July and reassumed her role as the Home Fleet flagship. However the supposedly "Most Powerful, Deadly Battleship" Bismarck concentrated her fire on HMS Rodney {Nelson class} but was unable to do any significant damage to the British ship. You may sink one Nelson, but its almost certain that getting both is impossible. She again became the temporary fleet flagship when Nelson began a lengthy refit the following month and Admiral Sir Roger Backhouse hoisted his flag aboard her. The pilots mistook the light cruiser Sheffield for the Bismarck and attacked, although the cruiser was able to evade the six of eleven torpedoes dropped that did not detonate when they impacted the sea due to faulty magnetic detonators. It might not have been able to take on America or Japan's monster battleships, … One was mounted above the bridge and the other was at the aft end of the superstructure. 116, 122–128; Rohwer, pp. Even the Panther could be produce in half as many man hours as the Tiger and to be honest it was superior to virtually every allied tank (pos IS 2 was better). 82–83, 86–89; Burt, pp. If they were not why build them which would have happen had WW II not got in the way. One pair were mounted on each side of the main director on the bridge roof and the others were abreast the aft main director. [22] On 21 April, Kitson was relieved by Captain Francis Tottenham. She arrived back at Rosyth on 2 December where she was docked in No. Limit Break Ranks Skills First Main Gun Mount +1 / Main Gun Efficiency +5% Big Seven CN: BIG SEVEN JP: BIG SEVEN: When firing main gun: 20% (40%) chance to … With Nelson forced to return home for repairs, Vice-Admiral James Somerville transferred his flag to Rodney on 30 September. Of course to make it really equal you would have to give the Germans air superiority and equal numbers of people. That evening Tovey detached Mashona and Somali to refuel and had Rodney fall in behind King George V for the battle against Bismarck. 0:18 [PDF Download] HMS Rodney: Slayer of the Bismarck and D-Day Saviour (Warships of the Royal ... Yamato vs Nelson& Rodney. [5], The Nelsons were built with two fire-control directors fitted with 15-foot (4.6 m) rangefinders. The M26 could have been in service much sooner had the politics been correct. A severe storm began the following day and caused all operations to cease. There are some shots of Nelson taken from off her starboard bow from a smallc raft. I beleive it was quite simply to do with standardisation the M4 was the tank they had in quantity and that was it. The Iowa-class probably couldn’t sink the Yamato but its 16-inch shells would have wrecked the Yamato’s superstructure and rendered her equipment inoperable. Some of the targets engaged were normally beyond the maximum range of Rodney's guns, but oil was pumped to one side to give the ship a temporary list which acted to increase the guns' elevation and range. [26] The Nelson-class ships received several nicknames: Rodnol and Nelsol after the Royal Fleet Auxiliary oil tankers with a prominent amidships superstructure and names ending in "ol", The Queen's Mansions after a resemblance between her superstructure and the Queen Anne's Mansions block of flats, the pair of boot, the ugly sisters and the Cherry Tree class as they were cut-down by the Washington Naval Treaty. [55], Force H was tasked to provide distant cover for the landings at Algiers and Oran, French Algeria, in case either the Vichy French Navy or the Regia Marina (Royal Italian Navy) attempted to intervene. The following month Rodney was detailed to rendezvous with Convoy HX 93 from Halifax, Nova Scotia, and escort it home. [62], The ship was kept in reserve until 18 June when her sister struck a mine and had to withdraw. The German submarine U-73 opened what would be repeated attacks on the convoy and its escorts by sinking the carrier Eagle that afternoon. Sorta like the Tirpitz. Bismarck was built with 15 inch guns in mind, Iowa and Yamato have 16 and 18 inch guns respectively. The only part that was not swapped out was the hull itself! Nelson and Rodney have 1 added bonus. She fired 75 sixteen-inch shells at the artillery position, believing that three of the four guns had been damaged. After an ineffectual air raid on the ships off Sword Beach that afternoon, Rodney withdrew to replenish her ammunition at Milford Haven. Following the sinking of the armed merchant cruiser Rawalpindi two days later by the German battleships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau off Iceland, Rodney and the rest of the Home Fleet hunted the enemy ships, but heavy weather allowed them to evade their pursuers and return to Germany. oh - if i were Yamato i would definately concentrate on one NelRod... hopefully i could hurt it enough/destroy it before turning to the other without taking too much in return... at worst i could prabably quite badly hammer one and then withdraw (if my speed is unaffercted). Delayed for a day by weather too bad for diving, she arrived at the site the following evening, but it was too late for any survivors of H47 and Rodney set sail for HM Dockyard, Portsmouth. New turret, 76mm gun, HVSS etc etc. Its non-cemented armour plates ranged in thickness from 6.25 inches (159 mm) over the main-gun magazines to 3.75 inches (95 mm) over the propulsion machinery spaces and the secondary magazines. There was a fair bit of experimentation leading up to the M4... but once it was decided that was adequate, it was full speed ahaed on the production lines, and only slight tinkering around the edges was allowed form then on. Partially hidden behind the burning merchant ship, the gunnery officer estimated that the intermittently visible German ship was 15 or 16 nmi (28 or 30 km; 17 or 18 mi) away, close to maximum range for Rodney's guns. An ocean-bound castle, the thickly armored Bismarck was the first full-scale battleship constructed by the German navy since World War I. If only the English had invented the sabot concept in 1941! 144–145; Brown & Brown, p. 25, Ballantyne 2008, pp. Rodney's trials resumed after she was formally commissioned and continued until she entered service on 28 March 1928. The battleship then sailed to HM Dockyard, Devonport, to participate in a charity fund-raising Navy Week which saw 67,000 visitors come to the dockyard. Firing for the first time since her return, Rodney's guns began bombarding targets during Operation Epsom, which began on the 26th. but that's the appeal of battleships to be anyway. 56, 63, Ballantyne 2008, pp. Bob Nelson Rodney Dangerfield's 1984. Rodney fired 16 shells from her main guns before she was forced to disengage in response to a reported submarine, but the French chose not to respond. Leaks, defective riveting, and other problems continued to affect Rodney even after a 1941 refit in Boston, Massachusetts. She mostly spent January and February at anchor with occasional missions to provide cover from commerce raiders for convoys. I agree that, somehow, there is not much that is more sad than a ship that never really fired it's guns in anger and/or scored a hit. However, it is true that the M26 took up alot of space in shipping. The ship was ordered forward to support operations off Sword Beach that night[60] and accidentally rammed and sank LCT 427, killing all 13 crewmen,[61] in the darkness and congested waters off the Isle of Wight. projectiles just over 26 miles at the rate of 1 to 1.5 rounds per gun per minute. [42] Later that morning Admiral Sir John Tovey in the battleship King George V ordered all ship to head north west due to a misinterpreted signal from the Admiralty, but Dalrymple-Hamilton knew that his ship was too slow to catch up to Bismarck if she was headed in that direction and disregarded Tovey's order. 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